How sweet
This is the sort of service we can expect from STARFLEET Obfuscations? FCAPT Craig L. Wood III aka “FleetHermit” called out VADM Kimberly Donohoe when he publicly questioned the validity of her statement that the monthly Vessel Registry was, indeed, updated monthly, as constitutionally mandated, by the current administration. Kim initially laid the blame on the previous administrations. This is a common tactic among the Saliban. “They did not comply, why should we?”
Obfuscation. Smoke and mirrors. Anyway, Craig indicated in his last message that he was “retired” from STARFLEET and was really just interested from a former member’s perspective. Craig let his membership expire in June. This was the response that Craig received:
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 09:36:48 -0400
From: “Kimberly Donohoe” <ops@sfi.org>
To: “Craig Wood” <oak3@twave.net>
Subject: Re: VRNot arguing, but if you’re going to make a bold statement like that, back it up. You can’t. If you’re retired, stay that way.
Have a super day!
Kim
Thanks, Vyper! You sure don’t disappoint! I think that sort of attitude towards any STARFLEET member, past or present, by a person seated on the Executive Committee is deplorable. The EC is supposed to serve the members, not talk down to them.
Proof time after time that “Members Matter” to the Lizard/Halverson Administration. EPIC FAIL.
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September 30th, 2008 at 5:13 am
Well members DO matter, but former members apparently do not.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:33 am
I find this attitude to be unacceptable and to think that I’m on the same Ship. Members DO MATTER!!!
September 30th, 2008 at 10:16 am
Current members only matter when they’re furthering the needs of the current administration.
Otherwise, they’re thrown under the bus. Just ask Unicorn Escobedo or (most recently) Michael Urvand.
September 30th, 2008 at 11:10 am
I don’t even know what to say….I really don’t.
I’ve been getting some feedback that says that I’ve been childish for posting here and that it stinks of sour grapes.
I don’t want to get back at Kim, I really don’t. It’s a waste of my time and resources. But then I realized…
I don’t need to.
September 30th, 2008 at 11:43 am
Guys, that is the heart of the issue. Do “Members Matter?” I’ll admit, Craig can be a tool. But he expired in June after tossing his hands up in disgust over the whole new administration and their antics.
“Under the bus” describes it. And MikeU… you hang in there. When you got sick, I curtailed my pot-shots at OPS to a dull roar. I also was diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes, and now add hypertension to that list. I get it. All I said was that even though I was sick, too, I found a way to get stuff done.
You detailed in your letter that you were still at the wheel, that you delegated stuff to Kim and she failed to perform, then stabbed you in the back.
I believe you.
September 30th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
Last year’s campaign slogans should have included:
Lizard/Halverson: Change you can’t believe in. And shouldn’t.
September 30th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
I don’t think it is about getting even or revenge or anything like that, MikeU. Simply puy, your eyes have been opened and it hurts to see things from that new perspective.
Dude, I have 6 (count em SIX) stents in my heart and have to take all kinds of meds and a sucky diet & exercise program. When I heard of your medical issues, even I backed off. I didn’t complain about our change of command tak longer than it should or our member transfers because one of my roommates is diabetic and he’s went into diabetic coma twice in the last year. He didn’t even recognize us. Believe me I know how frightening it can be.
I have also had my eyes opened in the past and I know what it is like to be screwed by those you thought were your friends.
What gets me is that all this is over a frakkin’ fan club. Call it whatever you want, a corporation, a lifestyle, a hobby, whatever… but at the end of the day it is still just a fan club.
So yes, hang tough Bravo Six… it is not over yet.
September 30th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
Ran across this site a few weeks ago and added it to my daily comedy rotation. Hai guys! How goes?
Kim’s been doing this crap for over ten years. It’s about time some of you finally caught on.
September 30th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
Welcome back to hell, Kam.
September 30th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Hi John
Long time no hear/see/read
you should come to Shore Leave next year, its a wonderfully drama-lite experience
September 30th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
“Welcome back to hell!!!” Folks, I was career Air Force and was in and out of hell so many times I can’t even count. The bad thing of it is that it carried over to real life when I retired way back in ‘94.
September 30th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
For the record, I am not “back”. My Fleet membership quietly expired as the election was ramping up. I didn’t want to watch that train-wreck, or the results.
The best part is, apparently everything I predicted (while drunk) seems to have come to pass…
September 30th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
Many of us predicted to the letter exactly what is happening. Altho with this administration and the people and the history involved, it wasn’t exactly rocket science or brain surgery to predict that we’d be here now.
For the most part, many didn’t expect it to happen as quickly as this, altho you and I and a couple of others knew better.
Now we are having to (once again) educate the masses.
Hope you are doing well. Peace.
September 30th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Y’know, if there was a financial instrument called “fandom confidence futures”, Fleet could be the Lehman Brothers or Bear Stearns of fandom!
September 30th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
YOu know something about this whole, Our governing documents don’t comply with the law has been bothering me, and I remembered what it was. Our Consitution and Bylaws (MHB) were vetted by Chuck Freas, a real Attorney, in fact a US Attorney working for the Department of Justice at the time. How could a real lawyer be able to tell us we were in compliance, and Sal (an actor) and Garrick (a glowworm) be able to decide they are not in compliance and thus need to spend TEN GRAND on some wannabe social concience lawyer from Taxachussets who has never told us we were not in compliance. Alex has said it quite well, Garrick has lost touch with reality, and anything he says about the governing documents needs to be ignored. When we let crazy people (Garrick), Vindictive people (Sal), and Cyberbullies (Vic) tell us what is and is not right, we’re screwed.
September 30th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
One of my favorite quotes is from My Man Godfrey (1936):
“All you need for an insane asylum is an empty room and the right kind of people.”
And then there’s Lord Palmerston’s “There are no permanent friends, only permanent interests.” That has been superevident from the Maddox era forward…
September 30th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
Scott makes a valid and correct point. Until we see some proof from the Law Firm, I am inclined, out of professional courtesy, to take Chuck’s word over thiers
September 30th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
Martin,
I have seen the documentation from the Law Firm, so that much is true. We did indeed hire them to do a general review of our operating documents. We gave them a copy of our state articles of incorporation, our membership handbook and our constitution. Our attorney sent us back a letter basically saying that we are are hosed in terms of our governing documents making any sense. Also, since we incorporated in NC, the articles of incorporation, from a legal standpoint, take precedence over the MHB or the constitution. There was more than one conversation about how we could’ve used that as our rationale for taking unilateral action against an individual. Whenever that was brought up, however, cooler heads prevailed and it was brought up that the membership would’ve hung us if we tried it.
September 30th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
I have to wonder, why is it that on one side, we have Chuck Freas who took time out of his busy life as a federal attorney to help review and ensure our documents were in compliance, while on the other side we have a attorney who Sal hired that says they are hosed?
Methinks there is more to this story than meets the eye, always have felt that way since I was around when we revised the damn documents anyhow! I have to wonder what we would be told if we point blank asked this other attorney, “What did Sal ask you to do as far as our documents go?”
Remember, this is the same attorney who Sal asked to review this very website for use of copyrighted logos and material that would constitute libel and she said HE HAD A CASE!
September 30th, 2008 at 11:20 pm
Mike
This documentation you speak of, do you still have a copy of it, or does Sal have the only copy and you saw it at some closed door meeting. I would like to see what one lawyer has written that contradicts what Chuck Freas had told us.
I don’t doubt you Mike, but I’m seriously doubting ANYTHING that Sal, Garrick and Vic are saying and have said.
October 1st, 2008 at 1:28 am
Scott,
I’d have to look through my archives. I thought that the AB was presented with the letter from the attorney though. Your RC might have it too.
October 1st, 2008 at 3:34 am
Mike:
My current RC was not around at that time, and has clearly indicated that Sal can do no wrong. But checking with RC Chrissy Killian, she says that she has been requesting a copy of that letter for months, so if you could get a copy from your archives, that would be super.
From my experience as a Senior Executive for a VERY LARGE not-for-profit, and my faith in Chuck Freas, something does not seem right about what Sal said the lawyer said.
October 1st, 2008 at 3:39 am
I would be honored to post a copy or link to FLEETWATCH.
After all, this is in the interest of ALL members.
October 3rd, 2008 at 11:45 am
Hey Mike U.
Just a gentle reminder, have you found that letter in your Archives yet?
thanks
October 3rd, 2008 at 12:40 pm
they are posted on fleetwatch the letters. i read them quite interesting. aint worth 9 grand though.
October 5th, 2008 at 8:17 am
Scott,
Apologies for the delay. I have been flat on my back sick for the last two days. I did a cursory scan of my EC-private and personal correspondence with Sal and didn’t find the letter, but as there are several thousand emails to go through in total, I’ll try again. The ones from the firm that have already been posted are, with one exception, I think, pretty much what I received. It’s the exception that I’m trying to track down.
October 5th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
Scott,
I have scanned my entire archive. The four letters that I have from the attorneys office are:
1. A draft of a C&D letter addressed to you.
2. A final copy of the same C&D letter.
3. A memo regarding Board Liability.
4. Memo regarding Members Rights and Responsibilities.
I believe that it was the last letter, which references all three major governing documents, combined with emails and phone conversations from Sal wherein he indicated the non-compliance were the basis of my conclusion that we had seen the actual attorney memo outlining said non-compliance.
Mike
October 5th, 2008 at 10:26 pm
I’d like to put a copy of the C&D letter up on FLEETWATCH.
After all, we did pay for it
Scott? What say you?
October 6th, 2008 at 12:29 am
Gumby, you forgot Scott doesn’t have rights, post it anyway!
j/k
October 6th, 2008 at 2:28 am
Just read the C&D letter that we, as an organization, sent to Scott Akers.
Wow. Fuckin’ wow.
Is it just me, or does bullying with a lawyer trump “cyberbullying” every time? Either way, Sal should be impeached for wasting our money on such a blatant vendetta.
Members matter my ass…
October 6th, 2008 at 2:32 am
Oh, to Gumby, I would have posted this on the Fleetwatch blog, but you have to have a Live Journal account to comment.
And that will happen the same day I get myself a Second Life account. Sorry bro, that just ain’t gonna happen.
But I am an avid reader of the blog.
Keep up the good work of doing the Joe Friday “just the facts” reporting. We need more honesty in regards to the goings on with this club.
October 6th, 2008 at 3:21 am
OK, I changed the settings to allow for comments from anyone. Just remember to sign your name and as Dave says… Own what you say.
-Gumby
October 6th, 2008 at 9:23 am
cool i hated having to use a diff name there. figured though my av is unique enough to let me be known.
October 6th, 2008 at 10:28 am
Arigato, Gumbysan!
October 6th, 2008 at 10:37 am
The biggest lies in STARFLEET:
a) The check is in the mail.
b) I won’t come in your mouth.
c) Seriously, baby, I’ll just put the head in.
d) Members matter.
October 6th, 2008 at 10:56 am
e) There is no conspiracy.
f) I don’t know who called the Texas Department of Revenue.
g) This is not personal.
h) Yes, I sign the checks.
October 6th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
I) We want to communicate
j) We will advertise for open positions
k) The EC is not involved with SL
October 6th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
l) We are not using the lawyers to intimidate STARFLEET members.
m) We are using the lawyers because our documents are ‘not in sync’ with the State of North Carolina.
October 6th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
n) I’m not Vic.
o) He’s not Vic, either.
p) We’re not trying to preach morality.
q) “As for my time being limited due to work commitments, I appreciate your concern but I am fully able to lead STARFLEET.”
October 6th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
r) I AM BRAZIL!
October 6th, 2008 at 10:05 pm
s) I am not a Sal Pal!
October 7th, 2008 at 12:39 am
t) The money collected will really go to a worthy charity.
u) What I said about my military record is all true.
v) How do you know he didn’t legally change his name to that?
w) I never lie.
October 7th, 2008 at 1:37 am
x) I will start paying $50 each month to pay for the letter
y) I will start communicating with the membership better
z) I am fully able to LEAD this organization
October 7th, 2008 at 6:18 am
aa) I’m just VISITING South America.
October 7th, 2008 at 6:20 am
bb) I am not sending messages via my children.
cc) The terms of custody dictate that I can’t move out of state until my children are no longer minors.
October 8th, 2008 at 10:08 am
dd) I did not ask for monies to bury my infant I killed through my lifestyle while she was in the womb — then crow on IRC a month later about getting the latest DVDs and networking my home.
ee) As a man of the cloth, my wife and I did not seek out other sexual partners as a closet polyamorist.
ff) I am not a good religious woman who lost her virginity at an IC.
October 9th, 2008 at 10:39 am
Tim,
Should I be scared that I actually can take a column of fleet names and match them to the list of things you said?
October 9th, 2008 at 10:47 am
gg) I did not put a curse on one of my enemies so she would miscarry at least once.
hh) I am not a former member of the EC who took monies earmarked for a charity I shilled for, and used them for a trip from the East Coast to the West.
ii) I am not a racist who was, and is, proud of the many KKK members in my family.
jj) I am not a member of the SFMC who sexually harassed one of my junior officers of the same gender as I.
kk) I was not taken in by good hearted fellow Fleet members and then smoked crack in their house.
ll) On Starfleet-L in 2000, I did not threaten to kill myself if someone didn’t give me a reason to stay in Starfleet. I also did not plagiarize from another Starfleet member known for their writing ability.
mm) I never solicited monies from Starfleet members on Starfleet-L to help pay for, among other things, an $1100 refrigerator.
October 9th, 2008 at 10:48 am
nn) I did not talk avidly on IRC about the hotness of my then-11 year old stepdaughter.
October 9th, 2008 at 10:51 am
oo) I did not have a member of my former chapter cosign a car loan for me — and then I left the state.
pp) I was not fond of pulling trains at a chapter’s events.
October 9th, 2008 at 10:56 am
qq) I am not a former altar boy, now someone who retired with a state pension at age 45, who was known in various chapters for sexual harassment and for entreating at least one Starfleet officer to slam a door on his own genitals to avoid temptation.
October 9th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
Wow.
Just wow.
October 9th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
rr) I did not do prison time for killing one of my parents.
ss) I did not quit my job to take care of my wife — pregnant with someone else’s baby — and then solicit money on Starfleet-L and IRC to support me. I did not say “I made a vow to support her in sickness and in health and that’s what I’m gonna do.”
tt) I did not sacrifice my marriage and my family on the altar of my Starfleet ambitions.
uu) I did not let my ex-wife and her new husband and their children live in a house (still in my name, while I lived elsewhere) rent-free but taking care of the mortgage and utilities, only to lose that house to foreclosure.
vv) I did not die a fortysomething virgin.
October 9th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Would anyone else like a beverage while I go get one? Save me a seat, please…
October 9th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
I’d like a bottle of rum… and a Coke.
October 9th, 2008 at 9:50 pm
ok, I get about half of these, some i think could cover a few people
October 10th, 2008 at 9:25 am
ww) I was not the CO of a chapter that talked a good game about IDIC in public but would play the race, class and other cards in trying to cherrypick members from other chapters (”Why are you hanging around with those rich Anglos for?”) I did not resent those members of my chapter who came from the same hardscrabble background that I did but went on to become doctors and other professionals because they focused on education and not on how “stylin’ ” and “fierce” they were on the dance floor. I also did not bitch and moan a lot about how STARFLEET and/or the region should subsidize transport for CO’s to “required meetings” such as the region conference or meetings at cons.
xx) I was not the widow of four weeks who — with the funereal meats not even cold — took myself and my kids to a con and began a “same time next year” affair with a Trek actor.
yy) I did not hold an EC billet as a sinecure with my deputy doing the actual work. I did not play up my infirmities by walking around with a cane slowly and deliberately — but, if a buffet was present, would head towards it at high impulse speeds sans cane.
zz) I was not the self-described Machiavellian who, in private, often talked about how life wasn’t worth living. I wasn’t the asshole whose consideration for my health or cleanliness of space shared with two roommates that I didn’t care if I pissed all over the bathroom floor.
aaa) I didn’t pretend to be gay for several years so my “husband” would put a roof over my head and put me through college.
October 10th, 2008 at 11:12 am
bbb) In 2007, I did not falsely accuse my mother-in-law of sexually abusing her 10-year-old grandson — and the grandson, further, of abusing “a four-year-old boy at a neighbor’s home,” according to a report in the Kingsport [Tenn.] Times-News. In 2001, I also did not promise to get two Starfleet officers onto Good Morning America to talk about how 9/11 affected Starfleet. I am also not allergic to bee stings and fond of glitter.
October 11th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
ccc) I am not a divorced soccer mom known in some circles as the “STARFLEET Open.” That’s fer sher, you betcha!
ddd) The following pastiche of an Eagles song doesn’t apply to me:
STARFLEET girls just seem to find out early
how to open doors with just a smile.
Four gold pips and she won’t have to worry;
she’ll dress in faux Ren garb and go in style.
October 13th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
eee) I am not, essentially, a cat lady with guns.
fff) I am not wont to use terms of derogation like “blue collar mentality”, though, after I graduated from my Ivy League school, my physique prevented my working in my field so I worked as a supermarket checkout clerk. As well, I was also not allowed to talk very much while growing up, so now I have no hesitation is shooting off my mouth (or emails), not realizing that people do not respond so as not to encourage me.
October 17th, 2008 at 9:25 am
ggg) I’m not a social retard, I just have Asperger’s Syndrome.
hhh) I was not beaten by my stepfather for “playing games” with a neighbor boy. I have not spent the past 40 years haunted by my cowardice at My Lai. I do not believe “I am not perfect, but I am forgiven.”
iii) My chapter did not back out of an opportunity that would have required background checks because we were afraid of what those checks might reveal.
jjj) As a teenager, I was not routinely given $1,000 by my parents when they went away for a weekend. I also never said that there aren’t a lot of minorities in fandom because “minorities aren’t well-educated enough to appreciate science fiction.”
kkk) I did not “borrow” electronics and other things from people who considered me their friend — but not give them back until a group of them came to my apartment to take them back.
lll) I do not have an exaggerated sense of entitlement.
mmm) I really do have an IQ of 173. I never complained that another member was anti-Semitic for his use of the word “yenta” on Starfleet-L when he referred to his gossipy relatives as the “yenta net”. And G. Gordon Liddy was not my role model.
October 17th, 2008 at 9:34 am
nnn) I am not a pole dancer in Second Life. My sister is not an exotic dancer who married an illegal immigrant for the money. My mother did not raise me to be Jon Benet Ramsey. I can justify anything I do by saying “I’m doing this for my kids.”
October 18th, 2008 at 9:40 am
ooo) I did not go from STARFLEET to the Federation (of which I am a founding officer) to SCA to validate myself in a way I could not in real life. I did not falsify parts of my resume in an application for a job at a major media organization. I was not stupid enough to tell this to the friend who was going to bat for me at said organization, who in turn told me bluntly that, if his own reputation was on the line, that I should withdraw the application or he would tell the HR department. And my wife did not leave me for another woman.
ppp) I have never said on IRC that I am sad about global warming because it means that the elderly, irrelevant members of STARFLEET would have no ice floe to be put on.
qqq) For the past 10+ years, I have been not regularly cuckolded by my wife, the former CO of a “family friendly” chapter.
October 18th, 2008 at 11:19 am
rrr) I am a man of peace who converted to a religion of peace. I do not fervently look forward to the day when my co-religionists will avenge me and mine.
October 19th, 2008 at 11:30 am
sss) I do not believe that people with mental illnesses, who are high functioning enough not to be institutionalized, should be held accountable for their words and actions. I would never say to a hygiene-challenged “assistant chief engineer” (whose parents died when he was a teenager) “You know, your parents died to get away from the smell of you.”
ttt) I am not an illegal immigrant in the US, claiming to be from one country but actually am from another. I did not use money conned from men suckered in by me for breast implants (bringing me up to a C cup).
uuu) Years ago, I did not create vulnerabilities in a database and then brag about it on IRC. My 2006 credit card records do not show that I bought and installed a remote starter for my car, fearing reprisals against my family. I do not hope people have forgotten by now, if not forgiven. I do not affirm in a few fora that my life is my family now, not STARFLEET. I do not live in one of the Middle Atlantic States.
November 18th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
It wasn’t worth it to go “across the aisle” and help defend those people who were attacked by Wild Bill, even if three of them are people I wouldn’t mind seeing dead. The same three are people who wouldn’t go to bat for me in a million years and, given that two of them are people who think that our new Comms Chief is being treated too harshly, I know for certain that it wasn’t worth it.